Exclusive: Joe Anglim talks 'Survivor Cambodia: Second Chance' (Part 2)
By Elizabeth Kwiatkowski, 12/09/2015
Survivor Cambodia: Second Chance's merged Orkun tribe snuffed Joe Anglim's torch during Season 31's Wednesday night episode on CBS.
Joe, who previously competed on Survivor: Worlds Apart, became the twelfth castaway voted out of the game and the season's sixth jury member. Joe was ousted via a 6-1-1 vote against Abi-Maria Gomes and Tasha Fox at Tribal Council on Night 32 of the game.
In an exclusive interview with Reality TV World, Joe talked about his Survivor experience. Below is the concluding portion. Click here to read the first half.
Reality TV World: If you made it to the Final 3 with two male allies, do you think you'd be able to beat Jeremy Collins, Spencer Bledsoe and Keith Nale in the end if you had brought some combination of that group with you? When you left the game, were you thinking one person in particular would absolutely win if he or she makes it to the end?
Joe Anglim: The only person I was actually nervous to go to the end with was Jeremy, like, at this time. I wanted to get Jeremy to 4 and then maybe take him out and sit with Keith and Spencer. For me, it wasn't so much about WHO I was sitting next to at the end, it was just about getting to the end and then listening to [everyone] at that Final Tribal.
I mean, it's make or break once you get to the end. So, as long as you can get there, then you work on one door at a time. You can't get to the final door unless you go through the other three. So, it was just a matter of getting to the end with anybody I could and then playing the Final Tribal, playing that game, that last part of the game. I don't know, tricky.
Reality TV World: It seems like Keith was basically the only person in your way of going on an immunity run. I don't think Spencer winning with his feet really counts. (Laughs) Did you ever consider taking Keith out for that reason? Many castaways before you have told me they really underestimated Keith.
Joe Anglim: I never underestimated Keith. I knew that he has more -- I call it "old man strength." It's a very real thing. It's just he is, no pun intended, tough as nails. He just has this mentality and this fight in him that I love and I respect more so than anything. So, yes, he's a threat to me, but he also was one of my closest allies.
So what do I sacrifice? Do I sacrifice someone that can beat me at stuff? But I need a number. So at that point, yeah, maybe it would've been a good point to throw him under the bus, but when people are comparing me and Keith, they're going to say that I'm more strategic than him nine times out of ten.
So, I'm a bigger threat regardless of whether I want Keith gone or not. So yes, maybe get rid of Keith to advance myself deeper in the game, or, maybe I just go to Keith and I say, "Hey man, I need you to lose this next immunity to keep US in the game longer."
So I just go, "Hey, I need you -- not that I'm asking you to throw it -- but if it gets down to me and you, if I go home tonight, you're next. So, maybe let me win this one and then no one's going to target you in this next vote. So you and me will both be in it. Let's keep taking these people out."
So maybe look at it from a different perspective than having to vote him out, I think, would probably have been a better strategy. (Laughs)
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Reality TV World: When you walked out of the game and wished just the "guys" luck, Kelley Wentworth rolled her eyes. I want to ask you about your relationship with her. She made a couple comments about you not having balls and stuff like that. I know her girls' alliance wanted you to make a big move and vote with them earlier, and you didn't, so is that all there was to it?
Joe Anglim: No, it's funny for me. I mean, I love Kelley. She's a little snarky and she's funny as hell, but at that point in the game, it was not in my best interest to go against the majority. As far as the group dynamic, as soon as we merged, [Ciera Eastin] and [Kass McQuillen] were just running around and playing too hard, too fast out of the gate.
Everyone just put the target on them, and this is Group Sync 101: If everyone is targeting them and Kelley is now associated with them, if I jump ship on the first couple votes, then now I'm committed to them and I lose all of this respect I had built with Jeremy and Tasha and [Andrew Savage] and Spencer and [Stephen Fishbach] and [Kimmi Kappenberg].
So what's in my best interest for that one vote? I mean, yeah, maybe take one of them out, but this game is all about timing and momentum and motivations. It's crazy. So yeah, okay, maybe I didn't grow a pair of balls, but I wasn't WILLING to. (Laughs) I didn't want to!
Reality TV World: When Fishbach stole your vote thanks to his advantage, I want to confirm you were going to vote for him.
Joe Anglim: I was definitely going to vote for Fish regardless of the outcome. And when he stole my vote, I was seriously nervous that I was going home at that point, because all he needed was one person to not do what they said they were going to on the other side and hope that they were going to split the vote.
Because I made it very clear to Jeremy, like he asked me if I had an idol, and I just kind of, "I don't know, man. You're going to have to find out."
So, I really, really planted a seed in his mind that I had an idol. They didn't show it, but I reached in my bag and joked around that I was reaching for one, and everyone kind of laughed. But I didn't have one and everyone thought I did. Everyone was convinced that I had an idol.
Reality TV World: When I talked to Kass this season, she made a great point that you can be a phenomenal Survivor player but never really win the game. You're just not cut out to win mainly because you'll always be seen as a huge threat. Do you think you fall into that category, that if you were to play again, you'll probably never win?
Joe Anglim: It really just depends on the season. I think it depends on the formula. I think there's always a chance to win. I think this season, I had a really good shot of winning. But there are so many variables. There are so many little facets of the game -- a lot of luck.
I mean, if I draw an Angkor buff and the tribes swap, I could be on the bottom and I go home instead of [Yung "Woo" Hwang]. There are just so many levels to the game. I definitely think I have a chance. I think it's not a very good chance, (laughs) but I think if I were to play again, you never know! I'm not going to put myself down and say "no." But yeah, we'll just have to see. Hopefully one day we might.
Click here to read the first half of Joe Anglim's exclusive Survivor interview with Reality TV World.